Who made you the Spam Cop?

We're not going to solve the email spam problem. We can discuss and debate the hows and whys, but it will be to no avail. eMail as a marketing tool is dying a slow and painful death. Blame the spammers, the ISPs, the people who reply to spammers... it's dying.

We can control spam in our online communities like APSense. I do not believe a spam button with no controls or accountability is the answer. If there is going to be a spam button, there needs to be accountability which could includ

Here is a thought on spam. The next time you want to buy something, either information or to join a program, make sure it isn't from a spammer. Spammers spam because it evidently works for them. If it stopped working for them would they spam? It wouldn't stop the spam but it might cut down on it if you were careful not to buy from a spammer.

The pornography is the kicker, though. There used to be a government address where you could forward spam but it doesn't work anymore. Does anyone

In a way, APSense reminds me of the Internet as a whole. APSense is a wonderful concept and community as was the Internet at one time. Spam is really spoiling the Internet for me. To get a decent filter, you have to pay for it. So much for "free email." But I can't take the spammers anymore, especially those who are sending graphic pornography to everyone whether they want it or not. I'm finding that the lack of ettiquette and the rudeness of people is becoming more and more prevailant. I

Hi Val,

Well several weeks on, it is now clear that the spam button is being abused - by accident or by design I dont know. However,. I suspect for every newbie who makes an honest mistake there are a few people who are pursuing personal second agendas which do not form part of the general good of the Community. and are not using it to genuinly eliminate Spam.

Personally I couldnt report anyone for Spam unless the situation was really out of hand - one day I may have to look these people "i

I guess that would only lead to a "You reported me - I'll report you" scenario. Then nobody wins. So whats the sense in that.

In this environment, i wouldn't report anyone for spam unless they were posting copy / paste advertisements in every group regardless of the topic at hand.... we all know the type.

Fair enough, in some instances it may be newbies who don't know better - trust me i know, i was one of those newbies once.... My eyes opened up when my ISP rang me and said my account wa

My 2 cents on this spam cop stuff. the reason I'm here is to contact people, either they want me to or don't, it only takes one reply and I'll never bother them again.. But this report spam is too open to abuse I have a group for Florida and a free traffic group some one has applied to be an admin on both. Well this person doesn't have any relation to either group and has never tried to contact me. So when I deny him on these groups he may very likely start reporting my posts as spam or some on

Hi Beth

Unfortunatly no we are not in this group.

That is why I spent hours going through every thread I had posted in, in this group and removed my urls.

Some I just deleted, and others that had helpfull replies I removed and reposted without the url.

oh and before I forget again here are the answers to your questions.


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So...why would anyone think my comment on my blog is Unrelated Comment?
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Probably for the same reason someone decided a help post

Hi Bj

That's what it was? I thought we could have a signature here?

ok... my mistake... I would have gladly edited it...

thanks just the same
Beth

Beth of BethsVentures

Hi Beth

You first posted questions with no links in there.
When I posted a reply
You had edited the original post and added urls.

There is no advertising in the APSense Group.
Therefore it was deleted.

Bj
Bill Brown aka Bjantiques

Well, how's everyone doing?

I just posted a new thread to THE APSense Group here and was notified by Apsense Express that there was a reply! and I came here to read it and it's been removed!

the whole thing.

it was about having live signatures even in comments.... a suggestion????

and that I had been rated as ... well here's the version I wrote in a different Group...

Here's an interesting update on how this spam rating thing works! On one of my onw blogs I commented to a friend

Hi Jonathan,

I totally agree with you about the FFA's except for one point.

You will find that somewhere in the "Terms of Service" of ANY site, be it FFA or anything else, a clause which will read to the effect of "By joining xyz site you agree to receive regular emails from xyz site."

The determination of what "Regular" is, is down to the site owner.
With FFA's the owners often abuse this and send, in some cases, as often as hourly.

With FFA's they tell you Clearly about the init

Boy, did I open a bag of worms! I agree 100% with you Karen that FFA sites are useful in building lists for the owners of the site. When I say it's outdated technology, I'm referring to its use as an advertising source. I did say in my last post that it only serves to add you to someone's list when you post there.

Now, is it SPAM when the list owner contacts you? Yes and No. When these unknowing people post to these sites, they are trying to get the word out about THEIR opportunity. It's ok for

Hi Gang

Well it's been interesting to see how the subject matter has in a Chinese whisper sort of way gone from Spamming, (Incidentally "Monty Python" still makes me laugh out loud) to how we all hate the "Gurus". Listen. The fact about marketing is very very simple.

1. Get a product or service you feel you like well enough to talk to people about it.
2.Research the best and fastest way to promote it.
3. Be prepared for the long haul.
4. Ouch, put some money into your investment.
5. Teach th

Hey Christopher,

I am serious about the number of emails I get. What I attempt to do is keep a couple of addresses clean - meaning I don't use it to do any email marketing. The addresses I use to register for anything are the ones that gets the ridiculous amount of email, and truly I expect it. Once or twice a week I go in and scan subject lines, then delete them all at once. Takes about 3 or 4 minutes.

~ Karen ~

How many of the gurus are really making money? Case in point, one well-known guru, a supposedly genius at building his downlines and building downlines for others fancies himself a cook and wanted to go to a contest they're having in Europe. He sent out a special mailing to his "downlines" that make him millions, asking them to join and help him get the $3,000 he needed to go to Europe for the cooking contest.

Even I could get $3,000 to go to Europe.

What happended to all the millions

G`day,
oh yeah Jonathon Rudd, hit the nail firmly on the head there mate, is it coincedence 95% of people fail to notice what you`ve stated and 95% fail online? Nope, people want "the easy way to success" ... there is no easy way, there is no overnight success`s in this business and there certainly isn`t anyway your gonna make money by following what most "guru`s" tell you.

It`s shocking to see how many people fall for the BS that like you said Jonathon, has been turned into gospel tr

I completely concur with you Jon. My point was that IF you do post to FFA pages and then crying SPAM, you agreed to receive those emails from the FFA site owner and his/her affiliates.

Where I would disagree with you is that FFA technology is outdated. The still do what they were always intended to do... build the owner's list. They were never an effective method of advertising.

What is becoming outdated fast is eMail. And FFA sites are probably a big reason for it. The early internet

Well said Jonathon,

As has been said before - The money is in the List. The "Big Secret" of how to market is the "Vehicle" to get you on that list.

I'm not saying this is wrong, The subscriber does receive some good information, but the reality is one would be better of putting their money into quality list building tools and services.

I would like to put my 2 cents in about FFA (Free For All) sites and the issues of SPAM if I may. The fact is, FFA is outdated technology that is only useful to the FFA site owner. Your ad drops off so fast that no one gets to see it anyway. The "gurus" promote this and other useless techniques because it's a way to get you on their lists.

Although they SAY they use this, they really don't. The real secret to their success is not even revealed in their free reports, or even in what they sell yo

"I think we have gone a little too far with making everyone a Spam Cop. This kind of negativity may hurt more than it helps. What do you think?

Thanks

Valerie "

There may be an exodus of sorts by anyone who takes offense by the livley discussions taking place on the Apsense GROUP... I for one was merely shocked and awed... to use an awful phrase... and I've been told I chose a less than apropos way of phrasing those who would report Spam...

well, gosh. I report Spam. I delete posts.